The Truth In The Pope’s Words
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RBT thinks the Pope is setting a trap to ensnare the Islamofascists in their own hate and Evil.
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The Truth In The Pope’s Words
So the Pope speaks about rejecting violence in pursuing religion, ALL religions, and the Muslims go batty once more. They went batty over the cartoons, they go batty about pretty much everything these days. But to go batty over the Pope speaking words like:
Is completely batty.
If you read the whole speech you come away impressed. But somehow the Muslims become enraged (when do they not it seems) because the Pope spoke out against forced conversion into religion….ahem Centanni ahem.
I am at a loss to understand the mindset of someone who gets upset at this speech. The Pope is saying reason is necessary for a religion. A person needs to feel that they can disagree, debate, and argue without fear of getting their heads chopped off. This is completely opposite of Wahhabism and other forms of Radical Islam. There is no argument in these forms of religion, there is only complete obedience. How is this becoming one with God?
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Ace of Spades is also worth a read.
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Arab Leaders: Pope's Remarks may lead to War [AnalogKid]
– Ace
Also: Flying planes into buildings with innocents was a "peaceful dialogue." And kidnapping soldiers was simply "an invitation to party."
Why do these jack asses think that they're the only ones who can declare war? And that they're the only ones who can be filled with indignation, shock (shock!), and outrage (outrage!)?
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and Roger L. Simon has these thoughts:
Ratzinger's zinger
In a BBC News article concerning the current crisis over the Pope's words about Islam, we find the following:
The BBC's David Willey in Rome says Pope Benedict, a theologian who has led a sheltered life in the Vatican for more than two decades, may not have understood the potential implications of his remarks.
Oh, really? The sheltered life here may be Wiley's, as it seems to be often with his Beeb cronies. [Is everything "projection" to you?-ed. Well, not everything, but close.] I think Ratzinger knew perfectly well what he was saying and what he was saying is true. Violence is structured into Islam, because Islam dictates scripturally that the world must be Islamic via jihad (as opposed to Christianity, which says "Render unto Caesar... etc.") and has never reformed on any level that is remotely permanent.
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. . . What we are dealing with here is a malignant belief system - and I say this not just because I am an agnostic. I recognize value in a whole host of religions, even in parts of Islam. But it is clear that this religious belief has oppressed its people (women particularly), kept masses of them in poverty and backwardness while enriching their rulers, and fomented deranged violence across the world from New York to Bali. What is an honest Pope supposed to say? Good on you?
In this post-cartoon universe, I guess he is. In Europe especially panic about Islam has set in. I for one applaud the Pope's non-apology apology. I hope he sticks to it.
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and this piece from the Gates of Vienna:
That Was Not a “Blunder.” It’s Just An Excuse to Kill Infidels
by Dymphna
Other than look at the headlines and check Memeorandum to see what themes are developing, I’ve avoided reading any details about the latest Papal smackdown. The headlines are familiar, the pictures of howling mobs of Muslims are by now simply stock photos, and in the end, I notice that no one is actually reading Benedict’s speech from Regensburg — or rather, they’re excerpting the “juicy” parts and leaving the rest. A waste, really.
What is striking (so to speak) about the various reactions to the Pope’s address is the level of naïveté on all sides of this debate. Among both his adversaries — who delight in this purported “blunder” in Benedict’s talk, and his defenders — who lament his indiscretion, there seems to be an assumption that this intelligent, scholarly, and historically informed speech was a mistake, an unintentional gaffe.
Riight…sure it was.
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So, according to Benedict, the Emperor was startlingly brusque when he expounds on “on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence.”
1391. Over six hundred years ago. That is Benedict’s point. Except for Islam, the world’s religions have changed and evolved. Islam, still a tribal, ahistorical and literal belief system based on what one does, has not changed. And it has foresworn reason as one of its attributes. Belief is not discussed, it is practiced in minute detail. You have only to look in on the questions the average Muslim has about the minutiae of daily life to understand the tragic and unanswered demand for security. At the whim of a capricious Allah, and an even more capricious desert environment, what recourse does a Muslim have but to attend to the details? And what room is there for a maturing of moral reasoning in this system?
Unfortunately for Islam, it simply conquered, subdued, and killed or converted those in its path. It never absorbed from the surrounding culture. Such absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely, no?
But then who could tell a caliph that and live to say anything else?
And how can the world continue in the face of a murderously angry, envious and resentful culture like Islam, frozen as it is in 7th century thinking?
The Holy Jihad will make Christians pay dearly for Benedict’s presentation. Bringing that 600 year old conversation to the light will cause the deaths of many.
Does that mean we should keep silence? No! Jihadists are killing Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and animists. Then the Sunnis will start killing the Shi’ites and vice versa. Keeping quiet will protect no one.
No, Benedict didn’t “blunder.” He said what he meant and he meant what he said.
Let the fatwas begin.
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LGH sums this all up:
Misogynist Medieval Murderers Want Pope to Apologize
The most contemptible terrorist organizations of the world all agree—the Pope must kneel before them: Taliban demands Pope Benedict to apologise.
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The Pope Knows
Lee Smith, writing in the Weekly Standard, astutely describes the controversy the Pope has created as a “prick in the conscience of Catholics the world over.”
Smith makes the argument that Pope Benedict knew full well how his remarks would be received. The Pope and his church know the bitter and violent history of Islam. Contrary to the view expressed by the Editors of the New York Times, the Vatican doesn’t need to “understand Islam.” The Roman Catholic Church has had 1400 years of first hand experience with Islam, as “the church has been contemplating its historical rival for about 1,300 years longer than the paper of record.”
Smith sees the Pope’s act as a clarion call to the faithful, and perhaps a warning shot that might cause “jihadi intelligentsia” to rethink their war against the West:
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As John Paul in the fight against Communism and the Soviet Union, it may well be that Pope Benedict will prove an important ally in the West’s war on terror. If so, he would be a natural ally, and an ally on the basis of shared beliefs, values, history and culture.
This, Quite in contrast to the image of the religious fanatic and ideologue, a caricature which hate-mongers, apologists and appeasers seem determined to apply to the Pope. As is often the case in this bizzaro world of public discourse, should it strike us odd that such characterizations more aptly fits the leading figures of our enemies?
The violence of aroused Muslims the world over gave more ample proof of what the original source of Pope Benedict’s quotation alleged: that the Religion of PeaceTM repeatedly refutes its appellation.
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RBT thinks the Pope is setting a trap to ensnare the Islamofascists in their own hate and Evil.
RBT
*****
The Truth In The Pope’s Words
So the Pope speaks about rejecting violence in pursuing religion, ALL religions, and the Muslims go batty once more. They went batty over the cartoons, they go batty about pretty much everything these days. But to go batty over the Pope speaking words like:
Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. “God,” he says, “is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats.”
Is completely batty.
If you read the whole speech you come away impressed. But somehow the Muslims become enraged (when do they not it seems) because the Pope spoke out against forced conversion into religion….ahem Centanni ahem.
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.
At this point, as far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we are faced with an unavoidable dilemma. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God’s nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true?
I am at a loss to understand the mindset of someone who gets upset at this speech. The Pope is saying reason is necessary for a religion. A person needs to feel that they can disagree, debate, and argue without fear of getting their heads chopped off. This is completely opposite of Wahhabism and other forms of Radical Islam. There is no argument in these forms of religion, there is only complete obedience. How is this becoming one with God?
[...]
Read More
Update:
Ace of Spades is also worth a read.
RBT
*****
Arab Leaders: Pope's Remarks may lead to War [AnalogKid]
– Ace
Also: Flying planes into buildings with innocents was a "peaceful dialogue." And kidnapping soldiers was simply "an invitation to party."
Why do these jack asses think that they're the only ones who can declare war? And that they're the only ones who can be filled with indignation, shock (shock!), and outrage (outrage!)?
[...]
Read More
and Roger L. Simon has these thoughts:
Ratzinger's zinger
In a BBC News article concerning the current crisis over the Pope's words about Islam, we find the following:
The BBC's David Willey in Rome says Pope Benedict, a theologian who has led a sheltered life in the Vatican for more than two decades, may not have understood the potential implications of his remarks.
Oh, really? The sheltered life here may be Wiley's, as it seems to be often with his Beeb cronies. [Is everything "projection" to you?-ed. Well, not everything, but close.] I think Ratzinger knew perfectly well what he was saying and what he was saying is true. Violence is structured into Islam, because Islam dictates scripturally that the world must be Islamic via jihad (as opposed to Christianity, which says "Render unto Caesar... etc.") and has never reformed on any level that is remotely permanent.
[...]
. . . What we are dealing with here is a malignant belief system - and I say this not just because I am an agnostic. I recognize value in a whole host of religions, even in parts of Islam. But it is clear that this religious belief has oppressed its people (women particularly), kept masses of them in poverty and backwardness while enriching their rulers, and fomented deranged violence across the world from New York to Bali. What is an honest Pope supposed to say? Good on you?
In this post-cartoon universe, I guess he is. In Europe especially panic about Islam has set in. I for one applaud the Pope's non-apology apology. I hope he sticks to it.
Read More
and this piece from the Gates of Vienna:
That Was Not a “Blunder.” It’s Just An Excuse to Kill Infidels
by Dymphna
Other than look at the headlines and check Memeorandum to see what themes are developing, I’ve avoided reading any details about the latest Papal smackdown. The headlines are familiar, the pictures of howling mobs of Muslims are by now simply stock photos, and in the end, I notice that no one is actually reading Benedict’s speech from Regensburg — or rather, they’re excerpting the “juicy” parts and leaving the rest. A waste, really.
What is striking (so to speak) about the various reactions to the Pope’s address is the level of naïveté on all sides of this debate. Among both his adversaries — who delight in this purported “blunder” in Benedict’s talk, and his defenders — who lament his indiscretion, there seems to be an assumption that this intelligent, scholarly, and historically informed speech was a mistake, an unintentional gaffe.
Riight…sure it was.
[...]
So, according to Benedict, the Emperor was startlingly brusque when he expounds on “on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence.”
1391. Over six hundred years ago. That is Benedict’s point. Except for Islam, the world’s religions have changed and evolved. Islam, still a tribal, ahistorical and literal belief system based on what one does, has not changed. And it has foresworn reason as one of its attributes. Belief is not discussed, it is practiced in minute detail. You have only to look in on the questions the average Muslim has about the minutiae of daily life to understand the tragic and unanswered demand for security. At the whim of a capricious Allah, and an even more capricious desert environment, what recourse does a Muslim have but to attend to the details? And what room is there for a maturing of moral reasoning in this system?
Unfortunately for Islam, it simply conquered, subdued, and killed or converted those in its path. It never absorbed from the surrounding culture. Such absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely, no?
But then who could tell a caliph that and live to say anything else?
And how can the world continue in the face of a murderously angry, envious and resentful culture like Islam, frozen as it is in 7th century thinking?
The Holy Jihad will make Christians pay dearly for Benedict’s presentation. Bringing that 600 year old conversation to the light will cause the deaths of many.
Does that mean we should keep silence? No! Jihadists are killing Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and animists. Then the Sunnis will start killing the Shi’ites and vice versa. Keeping quiet will protect no one.
No, Benedict didn’t “blunder.” He said what he meant and he meant what he said.
Let the fatwas begin.
Read More
Update II:
LGH sums this all up:
Misogynist Medieval Murderers Want Pope to Apologize
The most contemptible terrorist organizations of the world all agree—the Pope must kneel before them: Taliban demands Pope Benedict to apologise.
Afghanistan’s Taliban on Saturday demanded Pope Benedict XVI to apologise for remarks linking Islam with violence, adding the comment showed the Christian West was waging war against Muslims.
“We strongly condemn it,” Mohammad Hanif, who regularly speaks to the media on behalf of the extremist insurgent group, said. “We also want the Pope to apologise before the Muslim Umma (nation),” he said.
The remarks were “obviously part of a crusader war that the West, chiefly America and (President) Bush, is waging against Islam and Muslims,” he said.
Read More and Here
Update III:
The Pope Knows
Lee Smith, writing in the Weekly Standard, astutely describes the controversy the Pope has created as a “prick in the conscience of Catholics the world over.”
Smith makes the argument that Pope Benedict knew full well how his remarks would be received. The Pope and his church know the bitter and violent history of Islam. Contrary to the view expressed by the Editors of the New York Times, the Vatican doesn’t need to “understand Islam.” The Roman Catholic Church has had 1400 years of first hand experience with Islam, as “the church has been contemplating its historical rival for about 1,300 years longer than the paper of record.”
Smith sees the Pope’s act as a clarion call to the faithful, and perhaps a warning shot that might cause “jihadi intelligentsia” to rethink their war against the West:
[...]
As John Paul in the fight against Communism and the Soviet Union, it may well be that Pope Benedict will prove an important ally in the West’s war on terror. If so, he would be a natural ally, and an ally on the basis of shared beliefs, values, history and culture.
This, Quite in contrast to the image of the religious fanatic and ideologue, a caricature which hate-mongers, apologists and appeasers seem determined to apply to the Pope. As is often the case in this bizzaro world of public discourse, should it strike us odd that such characterizations more aptly fits the leading figures of our enemies?
The violence of aroused Muslims the world over gave more ample proof of what the original source of Pope Benedict’s quotation alleged: that the Religion of PeaceTM repeatedly refutes its appellation.
Read More

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